OK...drift sifuss......take us as ur padawan lol

I found this....and still learning the first one....its hard lah...

XR GT in blackwood....i can drift abit la...not totally sideways. But the prob with XR GT is dat its too slow . Not enough speed to make a nice drift...imho.



I think its the FFB. My main prob is i cant tell when the tail is starting to move away thus i cant decide the correct moment to e-brake and counter steer.

what mod is this?

im not a sifoo unlike tydus and those DCM LFS drifters.

do u have any specific setup to drift that UNDERPOWER XRG bro?

the theory is, to drift XRG at blackwood is by taking out as much grip as u can from the rear tyre. by all means, all the knowledge about the car suspension, camber, stiffness bla2 that u have use them in the OPPOSITE WAY than the one u use to tune up ur car for MSR Racing.

1. u start by putting in more pressure to the rear tyre as this will reduce grip and makes the tyre hot quicker thus, the longer u stay on track the less grip u will have and more smoke u can make and longer drift u can do with this little underpower engine.
2. make ur suspension stiffer and lower at the back as this will reduce the work of the suspension thus, transferring all the movement/energy/force straight to the rear tyres which obviously cant handle it end up u will tend to go oversteer easier which is good for drifting.
3. the gear ratio plays important role too. instead of setting the gear ratio for the top speed of 180-190kmh, u make it just enough to touch 150-160kmh at top gear with full throttle. so, by doing this u will ALWAYS maintain the RPM 4.5k and above around the corner. u see, 4.5k or 5k and above is enough to produce quite amount of tourque to make the wheel spin in XRG.

*i tried to attach the setup file. but i couldnt do so

so, the technique to drift.
1. start by handbraking
2. start by clutch kicking
3. start by feint drifting(feinto durifto)

the feinto durifto,
there's some corner that is suitable to use this technique.
1. the first U-Turn corner
2. the corner AFTER the straight line
3. the third last corner, the ones when u're going down the hill (assume u use blackwood not blackwood reverse)

normally feint drifting the will just throw the car in the opposite way and then quickly turn the car into the corner direction to get more momentum. but since this XRG is quite underpower, that wont help much either. so, u throw the car out ONTO the grass and turn the car back in and start drifting with 2 rear tyres while still on the grass and full throttle all the way. dun get it? its ok. i will post the screenshot and video later on

i will post the screenshot and replay in SPR format for u bro later on.




its a complete different game. LFS

WEI TIKUS, COME LA SHARE UR TECHNIQUE =,= HOW U DO ALL THOSE WILD DANCING ON TRACK DURING EACH DRIFTING EVENT from 06-08
for start, just practice in the first corner, the one after the straight line and the one when u're coming down the hill (the third last corner).

@Aeon...its Live For Speed..not rfactor mod.

@kamal - kata bukan sifoo..wakakka tgk ler tips de tu brape panjang.

Heres da prob

-Im still cant get used to turning wheels dat much. so used to momo and i dont turn that much lock that fast in my real car anyways. So im practicing on it.

-Is there a way to tweak the ffb coz i cant feel that im losing the back. Maybe its the setup. Ive tried few setups downloaded but still doesnt work. Or isit justme. But im not feeling the difference. I load thesetup my selecting it in the garage. is that all?

-Yup...its very hard to drift in the first turn...make dat turn 2 and 3 as well. I lost too much speed after turning in even at full throttle. Even in top rpm. Maybe my steering angle is totally wrong.

I get wut u mean by clipping the grass. I do that alot in iRacing. Somehow the ffb is very accurate and responsive dats y i can catch the rear slipping and play with the throttle.

one more thing bro mara. i suggest u drift in the backward direction. since the DEMO LFS nowadays only provide blackwood and not blackwood reverse like what i had in 05 where i was a DEMO user for 3 months be4 bought S2 . so, in other word u wil have to go in the wrong direction lah .

going backward gives a few advantage tho. and FUN too. hehe.

For a while there i thot u asked me to drive the car backwards and drift. *sweatttt*

Ok do a run in blackwood reversed u mean hehehe

kamalkubo, the drift mastaaah! hey, u better than me now la. shy² cat pulak

guess the drift bible explained everything in detail about the drift technique.

yea i agree its pretty hard to hold nice long drift on a xrg car. but nevermind, get to hang of it first. try to familiarize with the car and try to get every corner drifted. put the drifting line off-account at this learning stage.

oh btw, are u using the latest patch? sadly the latest patch of lfs wont allow u to use xrt. use the earlier patch instead as xrt car are free to use.

the xrt car (favorite drift car all time) had more than enough the power to hold big and long drifts. as for me, it is good to practise on a slower car though cus u dont have to do much throttle controll while u are drfting. simply slam the gas lol. oh, i heard of u had a phobia slamming the gas when the backends of the car starts to step out on you. is that true? hehe. thats the contrary betwen drift and grip. once u loose the rear, the more u slam the gas.

those days when im in the learning curve, i tend to use only these tecchnique thats is clutch kick and power-over (those days xrg were lighter and more power). once you get to used these two things, then the rest of the techniques will be self implemented though it will takes time.

er.. u cant tell the rear starting to move away? means u are not getting as much input from ffb as u expected? if that so, try my configuration.

wheel profiler:

- disable combined axis
- enable force feedback
- overall effects strength = 101%
- spring effect strength = 0%
- damper effect strength = 0%
- enable centering spring/centering spring strength = 0%

ingame settings:

wheel turn = 270%
wheel turn compensation = 0.00
force strength = 30%
*will update u later when i get to kl. forgot already.. lol.

tho i use momo, the settings may be different. but atleast ull get the idea.

Can rally techniques be applied to drifting? Will the setup be the main factor to make the drifts?

Is it possible to use a momo for drifting ? I imagine that without clutch it's probably not as fun and maybe more difficult, isn't it ?

sorry, hehe my bad. in other word, drift in blackwood reverse course



see, u gave ur opinion in technical stuffs. i cant wei



rally technique how ah bro? AFAIK, to do 4WD powerslide around the corner u have to full throttle while in drifting we do have full throttle but when we r about to oversteer too much we will do 'throttle tapping' to gain a bit of grip without killing the drift or apply handbrake to break the traction while entering the corner. once u reduce the throtle with 4WD powersliding, u will straight away gain back the grip. betul ke ni? hihihi...as i said, im not a sifoo




well, we drifter will always say 'DRIFTING IS FUN!' right tydus? it's true that without clutch pedal u will have to assign to button configuration instead. and with less turning radius the MOMO has, it's not helping either. but, the more u drift/try to drift, u will get more and more experience thus, u will enjoy drifting instead.

haha..i remember this game..i have sumtime ago jacksparo edition..but at that time dun have wheels n been put off cuz cannot drive properly...hihihih...

This is crazy

Ah...great tips ilham....thanks... and the steering profile setup is similar to rfactor. I'll try it out. Perhaps we can host LFS drift FFA every Sunday??

@PC....thats wut drew me into drifting. U are actually in 110% control of the car, despite how chaotic it looks fr the outside. An art i want to learn. But it also takes talent.

the great old little hachiroku bro. that's the best about hachiroku, very agile and decent power. with the ball of titanium and skills, there u go. what a master piece of driving. great driver man!

host tomorrow bro. hehehehe. this sunday im off to UNITEN again. wana drift with u be4 i go. eewwwww, that sounds not right =,=

tomorrow wanna concentrate round 1 liao....saturday la...demo leh host ke?

i will resetting my router for port forward thingy. i will host hihihi

sure can. it is somewhat similar. as long as the car can slides through a corner, then its fine.

car setup is important in drifting but not crucial compared to grip racing.




host sekarang pun ok juga.. sbb besok ka or lusa ka saya xde.. huhu.. but i need to download the game 1st lah lol..

Apo daaa...nak host tp game pon tarak.

My first drift in LFS!!! U know where i practice? Blackwood pit exit into the track lol. A nice buildup of speed, downhill...then up...from 4th heel toe down to 2nd...then back slipping away....a little countersteer and throttle tapping....it was drift bebeh....DRIFT!!!! lol...i didnt use e-brake...just losing the tail

crap LFS dont save replay automatically...dang

ok la ps nie ble host server lfs lak. da berabuk lfs aku. kesian

aku dah beli S2!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! wooohooo!!!! heel toe-ing, upshift downshift 720deg....baru la real driving sim!!! i love the clutch...much2 better than rfactor.

muahahahaha!!! welcome to the darkside bro! host la sometime. im back to uniten already, maybe i n join but with mouse je la. bro tikus maybe has some tips to share in the world of sideways there xD

LOL...tq2...i consider going sideways is a 'blackart' in real life as well as in sim. Im getting familar with heeling n toeing (as in grip racing) but the still not sure how to start a drift.

Basically, the setup of the car kinna have to be more loaded to the front, no? Since u need the rear kinna wanna swap with the front...but drifters ctrl the moment in between that...am i rite?

Why do you use LFS rather than a rfactor mod ? Is LFS better ?

I tried the demo, it's fun. But the demo car is kinda underpowered, no ?

I use LFS for the clutch. In terms of difference between LFS drifting and rFactor drift mod, u gotta ask Kamal or Ilham. hehe.

Yes demo car is underpowered. But with the right setup, u can still drift that car XR coz its rear wheel driven. Get S1 or S2 license to unlock the GT cars and Formula cars.

hehey.. welcome to the darkside; full with evil spirit LOL. yea, drift actually an art as u dancing around the course. well mara, the setups can be differ from others and it is more to personal taste. just like in grip, where u tune the car to go fast on straight OR going fast on corners. u pick. its pretty much the same way in drifting. as the rule of thumb, yea, it is easier to drift if u put more mass upfront. but for me i like the natural kind of way.

i never tried the rfactor drift mod. so i cant give u pros and cons. aiyah mara, u shud answer this la since u tried both already lol.

indeed the demo car (xrg) are too underpowered. but still a good car if u a learner.




p/s: mara, host la ini malam. im available

oh btw, whats ur lfs ingame name mara? want to add u to my buddy lists.

yea2, DARKSIDE!
hurmm...let see, i tried to attach the file here but ended up FAIL. do host the game coz there we can send our setup as ur R&D 'base'. i dont know about others, but for me i will set the suspension as stiff as possible WITHOUT messing up the car which ends up has a very2 bumpy ride and for the front suspension i do make it stifer but not as stiff as the rear and not as soft as the grip setup. get what i mean? and the camber too, the camber i set to negative value and it depends on the layout really. some layout needs VERY2 big negative camber and others just nice with -1 or -2.



the rFactor drift mod cant stand the chance to LFS in terms of drifting. in rfactor, just like i said no matter how much u trash ur clutch by clutch kicking technique it will end up going strong with no ending but in LFS u can just simply overheat ur clutch. that's y in the competition it gets very2 challenging especialy in one on one battle. u see, u wont be given any chance to pit for tyre change or repair when u are fighting against one particular drifter. so, if both of u are equally good and using almost the same setup the only different it makes is the way u take care of ur clutch, suspension and rear tyres so that those can last as long as possible. FYI, there's high possibility that a battle last for 5 or 6 rounds. imagine if u do clutch kicking technique too much, can ur clutch survive till the end? no!. and u want to begg the judge to give u chance to pit? KISS MY ASS he said, UNLESS, it goes WAY TOO LONG and both drivers are asking for pit then it will be fine. but IIRC, me and tydus did face each other and we drag the battle to 4th round, and yet the judge didnt let us pit


the demo car is 1.8L NA with the weight of that freaking chasis alone just a lil bit lighter than the turbo version 2.0L. so, the car is indeed underpower. but if u have enough skill(no offense)+the habit of full throttle most of the time and nicely setup car, u can actually drift it at 120kmh. hehehe. DCM LFS drifters prove them in one of the event back in 08.



SIFOO!!!



SIFOO!!

jom la ... host la seber msr lfs 1 aku ada s2 licence but never use for almost a year now

heres some screenies of d2d actions. this is the fun that we're talking all time. the art of sideways in tsuiso battles.











*drift performance by team d'zire. rip already lol. pictah taken by supraboy.

wah.. tak sangka u have s2 license too. thats music to my ears LOL.

Thanks for the insights both kamal n tydus are sifoos...heheh....i think azrink knows some drifting too.

when u say clutch kicking, wut abt u guys who use momo without clutch pedal? Do u use auto clutch or assign clutch to different button?

ahaha yea. those who are using momo sure use autoclutch set to > on. but we do assign it to button. i prefer to assign it to paddle (ya know the thing that behind that steering wheel, what u called it ah? lol )

although autoclutch is off, u cant simply changing gears. must lift off the throttle first before engaging to the next gear or vise versa.

my clutch button is on the steering wheel itself. the button i assign for 'request for pitstop' in rfactor becomes 'clutch' in LFS. sometime i do assign the clutch at the shifter. u know not the pedal shifter, the other one like the gear knob. what is it called again?

i assign that normally for HUGE LAYOUT. eg:the irwindale alike layout at...apa nama itu trek tydus? siap ada banked curve and not to forget at blackwood reverse. by doing that i can feel more fun like i actually drift in real life car coz i can 'whack whack whack' the gear knob when im chasing someone.bu, there's a catch lah, only one hand left on the steering wheel to hold the force feedback during drifting. it wont be a problem for those who are used to it though.

however in tight drift layout taht MOST of the event is held, i use them at the button on the steering wheel lah. coz tight layout usually requires both hand to counter steer. steer, hold, oversteer bla2 when drifting.

but that's just me. maybe u guys tydus and the gang or even bro mara himself can drift with one hand there. who knows, im not even a small snail also. budak hingusan je.

Stick shifter



Other than superior physics modelling of the clutch in LFS, how does the rest of the rFactor Drift mod compare with the LFS Drift ? Ignoring for the moment the clutch in rFactor, does the rFactor Drift drive as convincingly as LFS Drift ?

i think clutch modelling is a vital part in producing close to real life drifting. rFactor couldnt model as good as LFS, thus the drifting will be not as good.

Another thing abt LFS is i like the build in suspension and tyres adjusment in the garage where u can see the difference in the setting, graphically. U can 'drop' the car and see how the car bounce (or not), simulating the suspension setting n bhaviour.

And......

ala host la server....

I'll buy it this weekend. Do I just need S2 ?

Supposedly the LFS Caterham mod is also very good.

Drift promo by Japanese ranking drifters for Advan AD07 Tyres :-

http://www.dailymotion.com/search/Advan%25...ting-racer_auto

I got these tyres on my car. Very good grip on dry but need to be very cautious on wet.

wohoo another s2 player yay! yeap uncle, u just need the s2 license to unlock all available cars and track.

If anyone want to try full version, i got 2 LFS licenses (played with my bro Alan in 2003), PM me.

My S2: (early bird registration, anyone earlier than me?)


My S1 (for Alan):

Uik?? dah beli? aku baru berangan nak main

kena beli gak nih

la...aku memang dah lama ada LFS sejak 2003 dulu...x ingat ka aku dok racun korang main LFS tahun 2004 masa kita layan ETCC Mod dgn VoiVod.....hehehe

wahhhh. ramai masuk darkside niii. aiseh. kena cepat2 buat rig baru kt rmh aunty kt shah alam la ini macam. weekend bleh balik sne main. hurmm....

*counting money for Q6990,HD4850,Enermax600W,HDD160GB,capalang casing,RAM 2GBx2*. hurmm....botak la kepala =,=!!!!

Kamal, wut hepeng to u last nite? I tried to find the server and ur username oso dont haf....dc ka?

btw great session. thanks kamal.

yea bro. stupid sialCOM. DAMN!!!!!! and sorry to u too couldnt show the best drift line last night. i was using aunt's OLD desktop mouse. quite messy though.

Still haven't bought it yet...was away on work all weekend.

What's the AI like in S2 with the latest patch ?

the ai in lfs are actually quite slow really. the lines they're using sometimes a bit weird. however, the ai actually learn as they drive and compete. if ur q refering to drifting; they cant drift.

yes they CANT drift. when u put the AI on track for the first time their laptimes will just be as suck as u can ever imagine. but if u left them on track while u're spectating or doing something else say for 30 minutes? or less? they will just become faster one lap after another